If you missed APWG co-chair, Alexis Kriel and Wildlife photographer, Gareth Thomas in conversation with Pea Horsley last year, then you can catch up or re-watch them here.

Who are the people involved?

PEA HORSLEY is the UK’s most highly regarded animal communication specialists. Sowing the seeds of profound transformation, her goal is to deepen our personal and spiritual understanding of the natural world, re-wilding our connection along the way by offering grounded, practical, and compassionate teachings to everyone from complete beginners and those with more developed intuitive skills.

ALEXIS KRIEL is the African Pangolin Working Group’s Co-Chairperson. She comes from a media background as a journalist and film maker; she has managed her own businesses; has an international certification in wildlife rehabilitation from the IWRC (International Wildlife Rehabilitation Council) and is a member of the IUCN Pangolin Specialist Group. Alexis started working with pangolins in 2014 with the rehabilitation of pangolin pups in the Central African Republic – she qualifies as one of a handful of people in the world who has worked hands-on with three of the four African pangolin species.

GARETH THOMAS was born and raised in South Africa, but spent most of his school holidays in the wild in Zimbabwe, which is where his deep love of nature was seeded. Although he would only reap the fruits of this much later on in his mid 30’s. At this point, he began seeking adventure, which led him to picking up a camera and returning to the African wild. Here, surrounded by wildlife, he found the greatest sense of purpose, peace and meaning. Nothing he had done in his life prior to this had truly activated his heart. He then quite serendipitously found pangolin, who “expanded my heart beyond anything I could have imagined. Pangolin became my greatest teacher!”

Talking with the Ancient Ones Part 1/2

Talking with the Ancient Ones Part 2/2


We have long known that pangolins that have been rescued from the trade suffer from PTSD. They react negatively to situations and noises that remind them for their time in activity. These triggers can include loud male voices, loud music, the smell of cigarette smoke and the smell of beer. While these are not considered entirely measurable, science is catching up with the idea that animal sentience can be measured.

Listen to this fascinating concept here.